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Poslať 02.12.2009 22:58:05   TALMUD a Jezis, ruhanie, rasizmus atd
 

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Tato tema vznikla vdaka mnohym sfalsovanym citatom, ktore sa na webe nachadzaju.
Antisemitske stranky casto uvadzaju citaty z Talmudu - ako si ukazeme, podobne citaty sa tam vobec nenachadzaju a su sfalsovane (tieto nebudem rozoberat, nech si ich kazdy pripadne porovna s originalom), alebo vytrhnute z kontextu. Casto sa cituju knihy, ktore vobec nie su sucastou talmudu

Pozrieme sa preto blizsie na udajne tvrdenia Talmudu.


Co je to Talmud:
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articl ... torah.html
http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud - je to sice wiki, ale aspon nejkae zaklady pokope

Postupny preklad Talmudu do cestiny:

http://www.talmidim.cz/


Stranka talmudu:

Fialova farba: glosy
Ruzova farba po lavej strane: glosy, poznamky
Zelena farba: Rašiho komentar
Zlta farba: Mišna
Ruzova po pravej strane: Gemara
Zelena farba(drobne poznamky vpravo) - masora
Obrázok

Studia k antisemitskym tvrdeniam ohladne TALMUDU:

http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/the_talmud.pdf


ONLINE TALMUD:

http://www.halakhah.com/ (Soncino Babylonian Talmud)
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
http://wilkerson.110mb.com/index.htm

APOLOGETIKA:
http://talmud.faithweb.com/
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A teraz spominane state z Talmudu, kde sa hovori o Jeshuovi

(btw, keby som napisal nejaku stat, kde by som kritizoval Billa, o kom by som hovoril? O Billovi Clintnovi? Billovi Gatesovi? Alebo Bill Johnson? Yeshua bolo v Izraeli bezne meno, preto si porovname state, ktore niektori vztahuju na Jezisa.

Niektori ludia uvadzaju postavy z Talmudu ako Ben Stada, Yeshua a Balam ako tajne oznacenie pre Jezisa...pozrieme sa na to blizsie...


1) Ben Stada
Citácia:
Talmud Shabbat 104b, Sanhedrin 67a

It is taught: R. Eliezer told the sages: Did not Ben Stada bring witchcraft with him from Egypt in a cut that was on his skin? They said to him: He was a fool and you cannot bring proof from a fool.

Ben Stada is Ben Pandira.

R. Chisda said: The husband was Stada and the lover was Pandira.

[No,] the husband was Pappos Ben Yehudah and the mother was Stada.

[No,] the mother was Miriam the women's hairdresser [and was called Stada]. As we say in Pumbedita: She has turned away [Stat Da] from her husband.




Zhrnutie:


Bol muz, ktory sa volal Ben Stada a praktikoval ciernu magiu. Jeho matka sa volala Myriam (Maria), tiez nazyvana Stada. Jeho otec sa volal Pappos Ben Yehudah. Myriam mala pomer s Pandirom a narodil sa im Ben Stada



Dokazovanie

Niektori tvrdia, ze Ben Stada je prezyvka pre Jezisa. Jeho matka sa volala Maria. Tato Maria ma vsak privlastok kadernicka. Hebrejsky sa to povie „megadla nashaia” , co v originale znie „Miriam megadla nashaia" – co by uz skor sedelo na Mariu Magdalenu.

Problemy:

1. Maria Magdalena nie je Jezisovou matkou, ani Maria nebola kadernickou

2. Jezisov nevlastny otec je Jozef, nie Pappos Ben Yehudah

3. Pappos Ben Yehudah je znamou talmduskou postavou. Mechilta Beshalach (Vayehi ch. 6) ho uvadza ako diskutuje o Tore s Rabim Akivou a Talmud Berachot 61b uvadza ze zahynul spolocne s Akivou rukou Rimanov cca roku 134, takze Jezisov otec to nemohol byt…

(Poznamka:krestania dlhu dobu nespravne chapali tuto pasaz ako tykajucu sa Jezisa. Dokonca aj Celsus, grecky filozof, ktory sa bavil s Justynom opakoval historku, ze Jezis bol syn rimskeho centuriona, ktora sa volal Pantera)

2) Yeshua

Citácia:
Talmud Sanhedrin 107b, Sotah 47a

What of R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah?

When John [Hyrcanus] the king killed the rabbis, R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah [and Yeshu] went to Alexandria of Egypt. When there was peace, Shimon Ben Shetach sent to him "From me [Jerusalem] the holy city to you Alexandria of Egypt. My husband remains in your midst and I sit forsaken."

[R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] left and arrived at a particular inn and they showed him great respect. He said: How beautiful is this inn [Achsania, which also means innkeeper].

[Yeshu] said: Rabbi, she has narrow eyes.

[R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] said to him: Wicked one, this is how you engage yourself?

[R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] sent out four hundred trumpets and excommunicated him.

[Yeshu] came before [R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] many times and said: Accept me. But [R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] paid him no attention.

One day [R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] was reciting Shema [during which one may not be interrupted]. [Yeshu] came before him. He was going to accept [Yeshu] and signalled to [Yeshu] with his hand. [Yeshu] thought that [R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah] was repelling him. He went, hung a brick, and bowed down to it.

[Yeshu] said to [R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah]: You taught me that anyone who sins and causes others to sin is not given the opportunity to repent.

And the master said: Yeshu {the Notzri} practiced magic and deceive and led Israel astray.


Pozadie:

Cela historka sa odohrava na pozadi sporu medzi hyrkanovcami, farizejmi a saducejmi. Jan Hyrkan (cca 100 pred Kristom) bol presvedceny saducejmi a snazil sa potom zabit kazdeho farizejskeho rabiho. Preto rabi Yehoshua Ben Perachiah a jeho ziak Yeshu utiekli do Alexandrie. Situacia sa ukludnila cca 80 pred Kristom a farizeji sa mohli vratit.

Krajina sa vsak dostala pod silny vplyv helenizmu a v Izraeli vzniklo mnoho helenistickych siekt. Do jednej z nich spadol i Yeshua, ziak rabiho Yehoshua Ben Perachiah. Ben Periach ho exkomunikoval atd atd az si Yeshu spraviol vlatnu sektui a zviedol mnoho zidov...

Dokazovanie:

Niektori historici znova tvrdia, ze Yeshua je Jezis…v jednom z manuskriptov sa totiz hovori o Yeshuovi ako o nazirejcovi.

Problemy:


1. Yeshu zil asi jedno storocie pred Jezisom

2. len jeden jediny manuscript ma oznacenie HaNotzri (nazrensky). Preto sa skor predpoklada, ze sa jedna o stredoveku vsuvku

3. nazarensky neznamena nazaretsky. Nazarensky je biblicvky termin (Jr 4,16) urceny pre zvlastnych zasvatencov Hospodinu. Jednym z nazarenskych bol napriklad Samson. V neskorsich storociach sa vsak tento termin zacina pouzivat na krestanov...

4. Meno Yeshua bolo uplne bezne meno… vsak sa tak volal uz Jozue (Yeshua) mnoho storoci pred Kristom (Kol 4, 11)

5. Jedine v tomto pribehu, co je spolocne s Jezisom je meno…

3) Zkuska

Citácia:
Talmud Sanhedrin 67a

It is taught: For all others liable for the death penalty [except for the enticer to idolatry] we do not hide witnesses. How do they deal with [the enticer]? They light a lamp for him in the inner chamber and place witnesses in the outer chamber so that they can see and hear him while he cannot see or hear them. One says to him "Tell me again what you said to me in private" and he tells him. He says "How can we forsake our G-d in heaven and worship idolatry?" If he repents, good. If he says "This is our obligation and what we must do" the witnesses who hear him from outside bring him to the court and stone him. And so they did to Ben Stada in Lud and hung him on the eve of Passover.




Zhrnutie:


V texte sa hovori o tom, ze ten kto zvadza k modlosluzbe sa dopusta jedneho z najhorsich hriechov...



Dokazovanie:

Znova sa hovori o Ben Stad-ovi (vid 1.uryvok). Vieme teda, ze Ben Stada bol carodejnik + modlar. Za toto bol odsudeny trestom smrti. A jedine spojenie je znovu to, ze bol zabity na Velku noc...



Problemy:


1. rovnake problem ako v 1.prispevku

2. bol ukamenovany a nie ukrizovany,

3.. Jezis nebol ukrizovany v Lude


4) Poprava


Citácia:
Talmud Sanhedrin 43a

It is taught: On the eve of Passover they hung Yeshu and the crier went forth for forty days beforehand declaring that "[Yeshu] is going to be stoned for practicing witchcraft, for enticing and leading Israel astray. Anyone who knows something to clear him should come forth and exonerate him." But no one had anything exonerating for him and they hung him on the eve of Passover.



Ulla said: Would one think that we should look for exonerating evidence for him? He was an enticer and G-d said (Deuteronomy 13:9) "Show him no pity or compassion, and do not shield him."



Yeshu was different because he was close to the government.




Zhrnutie:

Je tu info o poprave Yeshuu. Rovnako ako Ben Stada aj Yeshua bol popraveny v predvecer Velkej noci. Pred popravou hladal sud svedkov, ktory by dosvedcili jeho nevinu, ale nikoho nenasiel –toto bola bezna prax tej doby. Talmud to vsak zmienuje poznamku – ze Yeshuov pripad bol trochu odlisny – mal dobre politicke konekcie a preto sud hladal akekolvek dovody, vdaka ktorym by ho nemuseli popravit a nepohnevat si panovnikov.



Dokazovanie:


Znovu tu vystupuje Yeshua. Vsetko dokazovanie – rovnako ako v bode vyssie.


Problemy:



1. podobne ako u Ben Strady – Jezis nebol popraveny v predvecer Velkej Noci ale behom nej...

2. Yeshu zil jedno storocie pred Kristom

3. Yeshu bol popraveny zidovskym sudom a nie Rimanmi. To sedi, pretoze v Yeshuovej dobe, za vlady Alexandra Janajskeho (?) mali pravomoc vynasat trest smrti, ale museli byt opatrny, pretoze sud viedli farizeji, kym kral bol saducej. Preto je jasne, preco si sudny dvor nechcel pohnevat krala.

4. Yeshu bol ukamenovany


5) UCENICI

Citácia:
Talmud Sanhedrin 43a

It is taught: Yeshu had five disciples - Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah.



They brought Matai [before the judges]. He said to them: Will Matai be killed? It is written (Psalm 42:2) "When [=Matai] shall (I) come and appear before G-d."

They said to him: Yes, Matai will be killed as it is written (Psalm 41:5) "When [=Matai] shall (he) die and his name perish."



They brought Nekai. He said to them: Will Nekai be killed? It is written (Exodus 23:7) "The innocent [=Naki] and the righteous you shall not slay."

They said to him: Yes, Nekai will be killed as it is written (Psalm 10:8) "In secret places he slay the innocent [=Naki]."



They brought Netzer. He said to them: Will Netzer be killed? It is written (Isaiah 11:1) "A branch [=Netzer] shall spring up from his roots."

They said to him: Yes, Netzer will be killed as it is written (Isaiah 14:19) "You are cast forth out of your grave like an abominable branch [=Netzer]."



They brought Buni. He said to them: Will Buni be killed? It is written (Exodus 4:22) "My son [=Beni], my firstborn, Israel."

They said to him: Yes, Buni will be killed as it is written (Exodus 4:23) "Behold, I slay your son [=Bincha] your firstborn."



They brought Todah. He said to them: Will Todah be killed? It is written (Psalm 100:1) "A Psalm for thanksgiving [=Todah]."

They said to him: Yes, Todah will be killed as it is written (Psalm 50:23) "Whoever sacrifices thanksgiving [=Todah] honors me."



Zhrnutie:



5 Yeshuovych ucenikov je predvedenych pred sud a su obvineny z modlarstva a rozvracania spolocnosti.



Dokazovanie:

Je znova zalozene na zhodnosti mien Yeshua = Jezis a Mattai = Matus

Problemy:

1. vsetky problem vymenovane vyssie tykajuce sa Yeshuu

2. z piatich ucenikov sedi meno len jedneho, co ostatni?

3. Meno Matai znie ako skratka od Matityahu (Matus). V danej dobe to bolo oblubenen meno. Jeho oblubenost si vysvetluju napriklad ako poctu jednemu z panovnikov hasmonejskej dynastie – Matityahu-ovi. Niektore manuskripty uvadzaju meno Matai z Arbelu, ako meno znameho spolupracovnika rabiho Yehoshua Ben Perachiah (vid vyssie)

Zhrnutie:

YESHUA

- zil cca 80 rokov pred Kristom
- ziak rabiho Yehoshua Ben Perachiah
- utiekol poprave utekom do Alexandrie, potom sa vratil spat a upadol do modlarstva
- ukamenovany den pred Velkou nocou
- mal vysoke politicke konexie
- mal 5 ucenikov, ktori boli tiez popraveni
- jeho odkaz bol zivy dlhsiu dobu, napriklad az do doby rabiho Yishmael (zomrel 133)

BEN STADA

- zil cca 100 pred Kristom
- niekedy sa nazyva Ben Pandira, inokedy Ben Stada - asi kvoli tomu aby ho bolo mozne odlisit od Yeshuu Ben Pandiru
- priniesol carodejnicke praktiky z Egypta
- matkou bola Myriam, kadernicka, znama tiez ako Stada
- otec bol Pandira
- nevlastny otec Pappos Ben Yehudah
- ukamenovany den pred Velkou nocou v meste Lud
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ZNAME OBVINENIA


1. Obvinenie:



Citácia:
Talmud udajne tvrdi:

Insults Against Blessed Mary, Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

"Jesus was a bastard born of adultery." (Yebamoth 49b, p.324).

"Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man." (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).



Teraz si ukazeme aky je to podfuk:

V skutocnosti sa v Talmude nachadza:


Citácia:
Mishnah Yevamot :

R. Shimon ben Azzai said: I found a book of geneologies in Jerusalem and in it is written "The man Plony is a bastard."



Problemy:

1. Vyvodit z tohoto tvrdenie, ze Jezis je bastard narodeny zo smilstva je neudrzatelne.

2. Spominane obvinenie sa moze tykat kohokolvek a co bola v danje dobe bezna prax – skumali sa rodokmenen, aby sa dokazalo, ze dotycny neporusuju biblicke nariadenia a nemiesaju sa s pohanmi


Citácia:
Sanhedrin 106a

R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a sorcerer.
Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers, she played the harlot with carpenters."


Niektori ludia si myslia, ze Balam je v skutocnosti skryte pomenovanie pre Jezisa.
V celkovom kontexte to však nie je pravda a okrem tejto domnienky tam ni esu ziadne ine podobnosti. Balam nie je Jezisom. A pokal sa uvedena stat cita v kontexte, tak je v nej vidiet, ze Papa Rav uvadla podobenstvo, ktore vysvětluje tvrdenie rabiho Yochanana.
Je nemozne vztahovat toto slovo na Jezisa a jeho matku Mariu.
Rabi Yochanan tvrdi, ze Balam mal velky potenciál a zacal ako skutecny Bozi prorok. Potom sa obratil k zlemu a stal sa carodejnikom. Toto sa riesi este v Tanchuma [Balak, 5] a v Yalkut Shimoni [Numbers, 771].
Rav Papa tu spomina ludove prislovie, ze je to podobne zene, ktora bola potomkom vladarov a kralov a nakonec zacala smilnit s obycajnymi tesarmi (co bolo v tej době nieco ako dnes „lopaty“) Tak Balam opustil Boha a zacal sluzit ako carodejnik....


2. obvinenie
Citácia:

Talmud udajne tvrdi:


Gloats over Jesus Dying Young, A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."


Citácia:
Original
Sanhedrin 106b

A sectarian said to R. Chanina: Do you know how old Balaam was? [R. Chanina] replied: It is not written. However, since it says (Psalms 55:24) "Men of bloodshed and deceit will not live out half their days..." he was 33 or 34. [The heretic] said: You said well. I have seen the chronicle of Balaam and it said "At 33 years Balaam the lame was killed by Pinchas (Phineas) the robber."


Je dost ulet si představit, ze by sa křesťan (sectarian) pytal zida aky stary bol Jezis kde zomrel a tazko by nazyval evanejlium Kornikou Balamovou, alebo ze by Pilat, ktory nikde v Talmude nie je zmienovany, bol naraz pomenovy Pinchas, lupic. Zmienovany sektar bol s najvacsou pravdepodobnostou člen gnostickej sekty a skusal Hanina, ci je schopny zodpovídat otazku, ktora nie je v Tore. Balamova kronika bola apokryfna kniha o Balamovy.


Balam ako kodove oznacenie pre Jezisa

Balam je v Talmude často zmienovany ako prototyp zloducha. Balam mal velky potenciál stat sa jednym z velkých prorokov. Tento svoj dar však zneuzil kvoli slave a moci a stal sa carodejnikom (vid Biblia)
Uvedeme preto par textov, kde sa v Talmude pise o Balamovi a bude zrejme, ze Balam nie je Jezis.

Citácia:
Sifrei

"Never again did there arise in Israel a prophet like Moses" - But in other nations there did arise. Who? Balaam the son of Beor. But there is a difference between Moses's prophecy and Balaam's prophecy.
Moses did not know who spoke to him but Balaam knew who spoke to him, as it says (Numbers 24:16) "The words of the one who hears the sayings of G-d..."
Moses did not know when G-d would speak to him until he was spoken to but Balaam knew when He would speak, as it says (ibid.) "Who knows the knowledge of the Supreme One..."
With Moses, G-d would not speak to him until he was standing, as it says (Deuteronomy 5:28) "But as for you, stand here with Me..." But with Balaam, G-d would speak to him even while fallen, as it says (Numbers 24:4) "Who sees the vision of the Almighty, while fallen with uncovered eyes."


Citácia:
Avot DeRabbi Natan 2:5

Why is Job called (Job 1:8) "A perfect and upright man"? To teach us that he was born circumcised. Adam was also born circumcised as it says (Genesis 1:27) "So G-d created man in His image..." Seth was also born circumcised as it says (ibid. 5:2 ) "He begot in his likeness and his image..." Noah was also born circumcised... Shem was also born circumcised... Jacob was also born circumcised... Joseph was also born circumcised... Moses was also born circumcised... Even the wicked Balaam was born circumcised... Samuel was also born circumcised... David was also born circumcised... Jeremiah was also born circumcised... Zerubabel was also born circumcised...


Vsimnime si chronologicke poradie a je jasne, ze Balam nebol Jezis…

Citácia:
Talmud Sanhedrin 106a

Numbers (24:14) "Come, I shall advise you..." Rabbi Abba bar Kahana said: [Balaam] said to them: Their G-d hates promiscuity and they desire flaxen clothes. Let me give you this advice. Make tents and put old prostitutes in front of them and young ones inside... When the Jews are walking in the market, the old lady offers to sell them clothes at market value and the young one offers it cheaper. After two or three times she tells him that he is already a comfortable visitor and should choose what he wants, all the while a bottle of Amonite wine sitting beside her. She offers him a glass of wine. After he drinks it will burn him up and he will ask for sex. She will take out her idol and demand that he worship it first. He will say that he is a Jew and she will say that all she is asking is that he defecate [and he will not know that this is the worship of that idol]. She will also say that she will not sleep with him until he denounces the Torah of Moses.



3. obvinenie


Citácia:
Talmud udajne tvrdi:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."


Citácia:
Original:
Talmud Gittin 56b-57a


[Onkelos Bar Kalonikus] called up Balaam from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Balaam] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Balaam] replied: (Deut. 23:7) "You shall not seek their peace or welfare all your days." [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Balaam answered]: In boiling semen.
[Onkelos] called up Yeshu from the dead. [Onkelos] asked: Who is honored in that world? [Yeshu] replied: Israel. [Onkelos asked:] What about joining them? [Yeshu] replied: Seek their good. Do not seek their bad. Whoever touches them is as if he touched the pupil of his eye. [Onkelos] asked: What is your punishment? [Yeshu answered]: In boiling excrement. As the mast said: Whoever mocks the words of the sages in punished in boiling excrement.



Toto je jeden z najcastejsie spominanych obvineni z Talmudu – Yeshua, ktory trpi v pekle ponoreny do vriacich exkrementov…
Ako sme si uz ukazali, v kontexte celeho Talmudu sa pod Yeshuom mysli heretik, ktory zil jedno storocie před Kristom a bol ziakom Yehoshua Ben Perachiah.
V texte sa spomina podobenstvo o slavnom konvertitovi Onkelosovi, ktory si dal vyvolat znamych zidvskych heretikov (Balam, Yeshu..) a pyta sa ich, co dostali za svoju zvratenost. To ako dopadli ho nakoniec primeje konvertovat k judaizmu.
Yeshu nie je Jezis (vid prispevky vyssie) a je to i taka perlicka na zaver – v texte sa vedla seba spomina aj Balam aj Yeshua...obaja su podle nackovskych zdrojov povazovany za Jezisa...logicke je, ze i Balam i Yeshua nemozu byt zaraz Jezisom..ukazuje to na absurdnost tychto tvrdeni i falsovania Talmudu...
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OBVINENIE: Talmud prikazuje zabijat nezidov

Citácia:
Udajne sa v Talmude pise:

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").



Citácia:
Skutocny originalny text:

Talmud Sofrim 15:10

R. Shimon ben Yochai taught: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles.


Zda sa, ze tato pasaz obhajuje zabijanie nezidov. Nesmie sa vsak zabudnut na fakt, ze je to len jedna veta vytrhnuta z kontextu.

Takze aky je kontext:
Jedna sa o sucast studie ku knhe Exodus. Zidia prave opustili Egypt, ale este neprekrocili Cervene more. Egyptania su im v patach a chcu ich pozabijat...


Citácia:
Mechilta, Beshalach 2 (on Exodus 14:7)

[Exodus 14:5-7 "It was told to the king of Egypt that the people had fled; and the heart of Pharoah and his servants became transformed regarding the people, and they said, 'What is this that we have done that we have sent away Israel from serving us?' He harnessed his chariot and attracted his people with him.] He took six hundred elite chariots [and all the chariots of Egypt, with officers on them all."]

From whom were the animals that drove the chariots? If you say they were from Egypt, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:6) "and all the livestock of Egypt died [from the fifth plague]"? If you say they were from Pharoah, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:3) "[Moses said to Pharoah]: Behold, the hand of G-d is on your livestock that are in the field"? If you say they were from the Jews, doesn't it say (Exodus 10:26) "And our livestock, as well, will go with us- not a hoof will be left"? Rather from whom were they, from the Egyptians who feared G-d [and were not affected by the plagues]. We now see that the livestock of the G-d-fearers that escaped the plague caused great hardship for the Jews [by being used for chariots to pursue them]. From here R. Shimon [ben Yochai] said: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles.



Z uvedenej pasaze je vidiet, ze rabi Simon ben Yochai diskutuje o problematike vojny.
Rabi sa tu pyta - ake zvierata tahali vozy egyptanov, ked Hospodin vybil Egyptanom vsetok dobytok? Zidia si svoj zobrali so sebou, tak komu patril? Jedine Egyptanom, ktory si ctili Hospodina.
Rabi z toho vyvodzuje, ze nakoniec aj tak tyto ludia pouzili zvierata/zdroje, ktore im Hospodin ponechal, aby bojovali proti Nemu. Preto sa vo vojne ma bojovat a v bitke sa nesnazit rozlisovat, kto z nepriatelskych vojakov moze mat dobry charakter a kto nie

[ porovnaj s Tosafot, Avodah Zarah 26b sv Velo; Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Avodah Zarah 10:1].

Citat tuto vetu ako navod k zabijaniu nezidov, je absolutne nespravne
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OBVINENIE: Len Zidia su ludia

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Udajne tvrdenie:
Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men").


Tato myslienka je v priamom rozpore k tomu, co sa nachadza na mnohych miestach Talmudu a Tory (Biblie, ku ktorej je Talmud vykladom). Pozrieme sa preto znova na kontext:


ORIGINALNY TEXT
Citácia:
Talmud Bava Metzia 114b

Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam).


Citácia:
Talmud Keritot 6b

One who uses the official anointing oil [that has been consecrated] to smear on an animal or vessels is innocent of violating the holiness of the oil, to smear on gentiles or corpses is innocent. Certainly an animal and vessels as it say (Exodus 30:32) "It shall not be smeared on flesh of man (Adam)…" and an animal and vessels are not man. One who smears on corpses is also innocent since it is dead it is called a corpse and not a man. However, why is one who smears on gentiles innocent? They are men! No, as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam).


Takze najskor si ukazeme, co tento text znamena.

V judaizme bola dlhu dobu riesena otazka, ci sa predpisy aa prikazania Tory vztahuju aj na nezidov. Zidovsky ucenci nakoniec dospeli k zaveru, ze nie. Nezidia su viazani dodrzovat len 7 prikazani, ktore dostal Noe.

(porovnaj napriklad: Člověk odjakživa experimentoval s nejrůznějšími ideologiemi, které měly zcivilizovat svět, dát životu smysl a přinést štěstí. Stav dnešního světa však svědčí o naprostém selhání těchto snah. Lidská logika prostě nestačí na formulaci universálně přijatelného a platného etického systému. Přesto takový systém existuje, jeho autorem však není člověk, jeho autorem je B-h.

Judaismus není misionářské náboženství, nehledá konvertity. Věříme, že každý člověk dostal v B-žím plánu svůj úkol, který splní, podřídí-li se B-ží vůli, a tak si zaslouží odměnu v tomto i v příštím světě. Pro Židy to znamená dodržovat 613 příkazů Tóry. Pro ostatní - Noeho potomky - to znamená přijmout jednoduchý monoteistický systém, založený na sedmi příkazech - Sedmi zákonech Noeho potomků.

"Sedm zákonů" začíná zákazem modloslužby, uctívat smí lidé jen Jediného B-ha a pokračuje systémem etických ustanovení, podle kterých je lidstvo povinno žít.

http://www.chabadprague.cz/c_sedm.htm)


Tento text je podobny.

V prvej pasazi sa riesi otazka ritualnej necistoty (Numeri 19,14) Na zaklade Ezechiela, ktory nazyva zidov clovekom (Adam) vyvodzuju, ze tento zakon sa tyka len zidov. Pohania takto v Biblii nie su nikde pomenovany - ako lud Hospodinov (vid Ez 34,31) Preto sa otazka ritualnej necistoty vztahuje len na zidov.


Podobne vyvodzuju i otazku viny z Ex 30,32 - kde je spominany zakaz vyliat posvatny olej na cloveka. Rabini ucia, ze previni sa len ten, kto tento olej vyleje na zida...pohanov sa tieto predpisy netykaju...

Dalsie dve pasaze nam ukazu, ze Talmud nepovazuje nezidov za podludi:


Citácia:
Talmud Gittin 47a

A gentile has the ability to purchase land in Israel in order to dig holes and caves as it says (Psalms 115:16) "As for the heavens, the heavens are the Lord's; but the earth He has given to mankind (Bnei Adam=sons of Adam)."


Citácia:
Talmud Avodah Zarah 3a

Rabbi Meir would say: How do we know that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a Jewish high priest? We learn from the verse (Leviticus 18:5) "which man (HaAdam=the man) shall do [i.e. study] and by which he shall live [in the afterlife]."



V pasazi z Gittin mozeme vidiet, ze Talmud nazyva aj pohanov BNEI ADAM - synovia Adama.
Podobne to vysvetluje i Avodah Zarah.

Preco potom Bava Metzia spomina, ze pohania sa nepovazuje za ADAM (cloveka)?
Pretoze sa jedna o rozlicne pojmy a len povrchne citanie moze viest k tomu, aby sa temin Adam prelozil v Bava Metzia ako clovek.
Pohania su povazovany za plnohodnotnych ludi. Vsetci ludia su v judaizme povazovany za potomkov Adama a Noeho.
Kazodpadne, zidia sa povazuju za jednotny narod, spojeny Bozim Zakonom. Ked preto Talmud pouziva termin ADAM, vztahuje sa to na Gen 1-5 ked bol Adam jedinym clovekom. Talmud to vztahuje na zidovsky narod, ktory je jednotnym organizmom - akoby jednou komunitou, jednym clovekom.
Pre oznacenie vyrazu clovek, sa pouzivaju terminy BNEI ADAM (synovia adama) alebo HaAdam (clovek).

Preto zachovavanim ritualnej cistoty/necistoty a vobec vsetkych 613 prikazani Tory su viazany len zidia. Pohania maju z jeho dodrziavania vynimku. K tomu, aby mali ucast v raji im staci zachovavat 7 noeho prikazani.

Mozeme teda vidiet, ze je to len jedno z dalsich falosnych obvineni.

Talmud dokonca uci, ze pohan, ktory zaobera studiom Biblie je ako zidovsky veleknaz...

(porovnaj: Tosafot Yevamot 61a s.v. Ve'Ein; Ra'avan #317; R. Israel Lifshitz, Tiferet Yisrael (Boaz), Avot 3:14; R. Tzvi Hirsch Chajes, Hagahot Maharatz Chajes, Yevamot 61a. )
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ROZLICNE OBVINENIA:



1) OBVINENIE:
Ked chce Zid zhresit, ma ist do cudzieho mesta, kde ho nepoznaju a tam hresit:


Citácia:
Falosne obvinenie:

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.


Citácia:
Originalny text:

Talmud Moed Kattan 17a


Rabbi Ila'i said: If a person is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known, dress in black clothes, cover his head in black, and do what his heart desires so that G-d's name will not be desecrated.



Je zaujimave si vsimnut, ako autor tohoto podvrhu zmienil len cast vety z originalu...
Preco osoba, ktora podlieha pokuseniu ma it do cudzieho mesta, kde ju nikto nepozna, obliect si cierne saty a prikryt si hlavu cniecim ciernym, pokial by bol Talmud tak zvrhly, ze by daval zidom rady ako hresit?

Prave naopak - talmud tu ponuka velmi dobru psychologicku radu. Je osoba, ktora podlieha pokuseniu a nevie mu odolat. Rabi jej nehovori priamo - nerob to. Bolo by to zbytocne, pretoze ta osoba je v tej chvili vlacena svojimi ziadostami. Miesto toho jej radi, aby isla do cudzieho mesta. Tym sa poskytne cas, aby ziadosti mohli vychladnut a mohla si to rozmysliet. Pokial si to ani tak nerozmysli, nech sa zahali do cierneho - co je znamenim pokania a pokorenia sa pred Bohom. Osoba, ktora sa takto pokori, bude pre nu ovela tazsie zhresit. Oblecenie jej bude navyse stalou pripomienkou toho, co by mala robit (pokanie), miesto toho co robi...


(porovnaj s Rashi v mene Rav Hai Gaon and Chiddushei HaRan; Tosafot, Kiddushin 40a : The desecration of G-d's name is a subterfuge to convince this sick individual to follow the path to health.

2) OBVINENIE: Pohanske dievcatko moze byt zneuzite, pokial ma vaic ako 3 roky:

Citácia:
Falosne tvrdenie:

Yebhamot 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

Aboda Sarah 37a: "A gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."



Citácia:
ORIGINAL:
- v Yebhamot 11b
som ziadny podobyn citat nenasiel, jedna sa o podvrh...


Citácia:
Aboda Sarah 36b- 37a
From what age does a heathen child
cause defilement by seminal emission? — He replied to me: From a day old; but when I came to R.
Hiyya, he told me: From the age of nine years and one day. When I then came and discussed the
matter with Rabbi, he said to me: Abandon my reply and adopt that of R. Hiyya who declared: From
what age does a heathen child cause defilement by seminal emission? From the age of nine years and
one day, for inasmuch as he is then capable of the sexual act he likewise defiles by emission. Rabina said: It
is therefore to be concluded that a heathen girl [communicates defilement] from the age of three
years and one day, for inasmuch as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a
flux. This is obvious! — You might argue that he is at an age when he knows to persuade [a female]
but she is not at an age when she knows to persuade [a male, and consequently although she is
technically capable of the sexual act, she does not cause defilement until she is nine years and one
day old]. Hence he informs us [that she communicates defilement at the earlier age].


Citácia:
Talmud Ketuvot 11b

Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: A male child who has relations with a female adult causes her to be like one who was injured with a stick... Rava said: This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a finger into an eyeball.


Z uvedeneho textu vyplyva, ze sa bavia o vene. Veno pre pannu bolo vyssie, nez pre dievca, ktore panennstvo stratilo.
Za znamenie panenstva sa povazuje krvacanie behom svadobnej noci. NIekedy sa vsak moze stat, ze zena vdaka nejakemu urazu alebo zneuzitiu mohla o panensku blanu prist a tento znak sa nemusi dostavit.
Dalej sa rozobera, ze pokial bolo zneuzite dievcatko do veku 3 rokov, tak o panenstvo neprislo. A od ktoreho veku je mozne povazovat styk medzi mladistvymi/dospelymi za ophlavny styk. Tym sa samozrejme neschvaluje toto zneuzitie deti, riesi sa len otazka panenstva.



Nikde v Talmude sa taketo zneuzitie neschvaluje, ved uz samotny pohlavny styk mimo manzelstvo je hriesny (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) nieto este zneuzivanie deti. The Talmud na tomto mieste len ex post facto riesi, co sa stane, ked takyto pripad nastane

Podobne je to i s textom z Avodah Zarah 36b-37a. Talmud tam len riesi, ze vek 3+ sa povazuje za zlom, kedy je sa sexualny styk s dievcatom povazuje za sexualny - kvoli nasledkom, ktore je potom potreba pravne riesit. Kazdopadne, tento akt je moralne nepripustny. (porovnaj tiez: Jerusalem Talmud Ketuvot 1:2 (4b)



OBVINENIE: Pohan, ktory by studoval Talmud, je hodny smrti

Citácia:
Falosne obvinenie:

Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."



Citácia:
Original text:

Talmud Sanhedrin 59a


Rabbi Yochanan said: A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death as it says (Deuteronomy 33:4) "Moses commanded us Torah as a heritage." It is a heritage for us and not for them... Rabbi Meir would say: How do we know that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a Jewish high priest? As it says (Leviticus 18:5) "Which man shall do [i.e. study] and by which he shall live [in the afterlife]." It does not say "priests, Levites, and Israelites" but "man". We learn from here that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a Jewish high priest. [We answer the contradiction between Rabbi Yochanan's statement and Rabbi Meir's that] there [Rabbi Meir] is referring to their seven commandments.




Talmud uvadza rozpor, ktory nastal medzi dvoma rabinmi. Rabi Yochanan tvrdi, ze ten kto studuje Toru (tj. Stary Zakon a nie Talmud ako falosne podsuvaju antisemiti na podopretie svojej teorie,ze Talmu je tajna kniha zidov o tom ako ovladnut nezidov) zasluhuje smrt.
Rabbi Meir mu vsak oponuje a tvrdi, ze pohan, ktory studuje Toru, je ako zidovsky veleknaz.
(v texte je mozen znova vidiet, ze Talmud nazyva pohanov ludmi a stavia ich na jednu rovinu s zidmi, nie ako falsone tvrdia antisemiti)

Falsone obvinenie cituje len riesenie jednej strany a neuvadza kontext.
Pasaz, ktora uvedenej citacii predchadzala sa bavi o tom, ze pohanom je zakazane plne slavit zidovsky šabat a nabozenske sviatky.
Preco? Preco moze pohan studovat Toru, ale nema dodrziavat zidovke sviatky?
Talmud ponuka odpoved: Rabbi Meir hovori o studiu casti tory, ktore sa tykaju pohanov a rabbi Yochanan hovori o studiu prikazani, ktore sa tykaju zidov.
To znamena, ze pohania sa nemaju snazit stat zidmi a dodrziavat co bolo prikazane len zidom. Ako sme si uz povedali - pohanov sa tyka len 7 zakonov, ktore dostal Noe po potope. Pohanom, ktory tieto prikazania dodrziavaju sa hovori "spravodlivi medzi narodmi".
Spravodlivy medzi narodmi, ktory by studoval prikazanie len pre Izrael by tak opustal svoju ulohu a snazil sa stat zidom. Spravodlivy medzi narodmi je spravodlivym aj bez dodrziavania 613 prikazani Tory.

(poznamka: pohan sa moze stat zidom konverziou. Talmud uci, ze takyto konvertita je velmi milovany a zasluhuje si viac ucty nez zidia, preotze on si sam zvolil Bozie prikazania, kym zidia ich musia dodrziavat automaticky)

OBVINENIE:

Film Schindlerov zoznam klamal, ked citoval Talmud: "Ten, kto zachrani jeden zivot, zachranil cely svet." Talmud to tvrdi len o zidoch, nie o pohanoch.



Pokial by sme brali v uvahu len Babylonsky Talmud, tak by sme museli dat tomuto tvrdeniu za pravdu:

Citácia:
Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 37a

"Whoever destroys a soul from Israel, the Scripture considers it as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life from Israel, the Scripture considers it as if he saved an entire world."


V Jeruzalemskom Talmude sa vsak pise:

Citácia:
Jerusalem Talmud, Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a)

"Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."


Tato pasaz sa uz tyka kazdeho ludskeho zivota - jedno ci zida alebo nezida.


Okrem Talmudu sa tato pasaz nachadza este :
Pirkei deRabbi Eliezer ch. 47, Eliyahu Rabbah 11, Yalkut Shimoni k Exodu 166.

Z napisaneho je len mozne vidiet, ze spominanym citatom Talmud odhaluje velku dostojnost a cenu, ktoru pripisuje kazdemu ludskemu zivotu.


OBVINENIE: casto sa tvrdi, ze "goj" - oznacenie pre nezidov - znamena "zviera".


To nie je ani trochu pravda.
Napriklad :

Citácia:
Exodus 19:6
Vy mi budete kňazským kráľovstvom a svätým národom.


Slovo, ktore je pouzite pre narod, je v hebrejcine "goj". Slovo "goj" je dokonca pouzite pre oznacenie izraelskeho naroda.



Poznamka z Crosswalk Bible Lexicon k heslu "goj":

Citácia:
Colloquially, however, non-Jewish nations -- other nations -- are called "goyim" and a member of these nations is called a "goy". Any gentile is therefore called a "goy". It is not a derogatory term, but merely a descriptive term.


Citácia:
Leo Rosten, The Joys of Yinglish (New York:1989), pp. 205-206

goy
goyish (adjective)
goyim (plural)

What Yinglishman does not know, use and enjoy goy? Form rhyme respectively with "boy," "boyish," "doyen." The plural is pronounced GOY-im. The adjective is goyish (neuter), goyisher (masculine), or goyisheh (feminine). From the Hebrew: goy: "nation." Biblical texts called the Hebrews a goy kadosh: "a holy nation."

1. It is important to note that the idea of respect for others, and the values of a pluralistic society, form an old, integral part of Judaism and Jewish tradition. The rabbis taught that all men are equal in the eyes of G-d -- if they do the will of G-d: the Talmud says "Whether Jew or gentile, man or woman, rich or poor -- according to a man's deeds does G-d's presence rest on him."

2. Mormon call any non-Mormon a gentile; Jews are therefore gentiles to Mormons...

3. Just as some gentiles use "Jew" as a contemptuous synonym for driving too shrewd and sly a bargain ("He tried to Jew the price down," is about as odious an idiom as I know), so some Jews use goy in a pejorative sense. Relentless persecution of Jews, century after century, in nation after nation, left a legacy of bitter sayings...



OBVINENIE: Talmud prikazuje zidom klamat o Talmude a Tore

Citácia:
Falosne obvinenie:
Hovorit gojom nieco o nasich nabozenskych vztahoch je rovanke ako by sme zabili vsetkych zidov, pretoze ak by spoznali co ucime, vsetkych by nas pozabijali (Libbre David 37)

"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." - Libbre David 37.

Pokial bude nejaky zid pozvany vysvetlit akukolvek cast rabinskej literatury, musi podat jedine falosne vysvetlenie. Ktokolvek by prestupil toto prikazanie, bude odsudeny k smrti (Libbre David 37)

"If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death." Libbre David 37.



Je sice mozne ze tato kniha niekedy existovala, ale nikdy nebola sucastou Talmudu anie je mozne ju nikde zohnat. Vsetci antisemiti dobre ovladaju teito verse, ale vypada to, ze Libbre David je len dalsi z falzifikatov.


Co je podla Talmudu povinny urobit rain, zid, keby napriklad vpadol do jeho domu nastvany farmar, namieril na neho zbran a povedal mu: "Chcem, aby boli prasata košér! Takze mi teraz rabi odpovedz na otazku: Su prasata košér?"

Citácia:
R. Yishayahu HaLevy Horowitz, Shnei Luchot Habrit, Masechet Shevuot p. 33b

It is forbidden to change the words of Torah even in times of danger; one must give one's life over it.

R. Shlomo Luria, Yam Shel Shlomo, Bava Kamma 4:9

Rather we see from here that we are obligated to give ourselves over and sanctify G-d's name and if one, G-d forbid, changes one law it is as if he denied the Torah of Moses... To [lie and] say that one who is innocent is guilty or vice versa is like denying the Torah of Moses. What is the difference between denying one word and denying the entire Torah?




Takze je ZAKAZANE klamat o Tore a Talmude aj keby to malo stat cloveka zivot. Je zakazane klamat dokonca co i len o jedinom slove...

Priklady su naprikald v Jeruzalemskom talmude Sanhedrin 2:1 (9b), Horiot 3:1 (11b), potom Bava Kamma 38a
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Ako sa Jezisove ucenie podobalo uceniu TALMUDU:

Matthew 5:45: That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Talmud Taanit 7a : Rabbi Abbahu said: The day when rain fails is greater than [the day of] the Revival of the Dead, for the Revival of the Dead is for the righteous only whereas rain is both for the righteous and for the wicked

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Matthew 6:1: Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Talmud Beracoth 17b: In the case of the recital of the Shema', since everybody else recites, and he also recites, it does not look like showing off on his part; but in the case of the month of Av, since everybody else does work and he does no work, it looks like showing off.

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Matthew 6:3: But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth.

Talmud Bava Batra 10a - 10b: What kind of charity is that which delivers a man from an unnatural death? When a man gives without knowing to whom he gives. and the beggar receives without knowing from whom he receives.

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But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.- Matthew 6:7

If one draws out his prayer and expects therefore its fulfillment, he will in the end suffer vexation of heart, as it says, Hope deferred maketh the heart sick. - Talmud Berachot 55a

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Do not worry about where your food will come from tomorrow, or your drink. - Matthew 6:25-31

Rabbi Eliezer the Great declares: Whoever has a piece of bread in his basket and Says. 'What shall I eat tomorrow?' belongs only to them who are little in faith . - Talmud Sotah 48b

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Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. - Matthew 6:34

A parable: [They were] like a man who was kept in prison and people told him: Tomorrow, they will release you from the prison and give you plenty of money. And he answered them: I pray of you, let me go free today and I shall ask nothing more! - Talmud Berachot 9b

Talmud Beracoth 9b - Each day has enough of its own troubles.

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Let your Yes be Yes and your No be No. - Matthew 5:34-37

A righteous yes is a Yes; a righteous no is No. - Talmud Bava Batra 49b

Let your yes be yes, and your no be no. --R. Abaye, Talmud Baba Metzia 49a

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At that time Y'shua answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. - Matthew 11:25

Rabbi Johanan said: Since the Temple was destroyed, prophecy has been taken from prophets and given to fools and children. - Talmud Bava Batra 12b

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And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. - Matthew 5:29-30

Come and hear what was taught: Rabbi Tarfon said, 'If his hand touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they said to him, 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down into the pit of destruction'. - Talmud Niddah 13b

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But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Mashiach ; and all ye are brethren. - Matthew 23:8

Shemaiah used to say: love work, hate acting the superior, and do not bring thyself to the knowledge of the ruling authority. - Mishnah: Avot 1:10

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Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:44

Even as R. Zera, who, whenever he chanced upon scholars engaged thereon [I.e., in calculating the time of the Mashiach's coming], would say to them: I beg of you, do not postpone it, for it has been taught: Three come unawares: Mashiach, a found article and a scorpion. - Talmud Sanhedrin 97a

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Y'shua taught in a parable that they can please the king (God) by pleasing one another. - Matthew 25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, In as much as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. - Matthew 25:40

Rabbi Simeon said: if three have eaten at one table and have not spoken thereat words of torah, [it is] as if they had eaten sacrifices [offered] to the dead, for [of such persons] it is said, for all tables are full of filthy vomit, [they are] without the All-Present. But, if three have eaten at one table, and have spoken the words of torah, [it is] as if they had eaten at the table of the All-Present, blessed be he, as it is said, this is the table before HaShem . - Mishnah Avot 3:3

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Love your enemy. - Matthew 5:43

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor , and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; - Matthew 5:43

They who are insulted but insult not back; who hear themselves reproached but answer not; who serve out of love and rejoice in their affliction--of them it is written in Scripture: They that love God are as the going forth of the sun in its might. - Talmud: Yoma 23a, Gittin 36b and Shabbat 88b

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For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. - Matthew 22:23-30

There will be no marital union in the world to come. Ma'asrot 4:5-6

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Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. - Matthew 5:23-24

If a man said, "I will sin and repent, and sin again and repent", he will be given no chance to repent. [If he said,] "I will sin and the Day of Atonement will effect atonement", then the Day of Atonement effects no atonement. For transgressions that are between man and God the Day of Atonement effects atonement, but for transgressions that are between a man and his fellow the Day of Atonement effects atonement only if he has appeased his fellow - Talmud Yoma 8:9

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Matthew 5:43 Love thine neighbor and hate thine enemy.

Talmud Yoma 23a, Gittin 36b and Shabbat 88b - They who are insulted but insult not back; who hear themselves reproached but answer not; who serve out of love and rejoice in their affliction--of them it is written in Scripture: They that love God are as the going forth of the sun in its might.

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Matthew 5:23-24... first be reconciled to thy brother.

Talmud Yoma 85b - Yom Kippur atones for all sins, but first you must reconcile your conflict with others.

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Matthew 6:14-15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses ...

Talmud Rosh Hashanah 17a - Only if you forgive others will God forgive you.

Talmud Shabbat 151b - One who is merciful toward others, God will be merciful toward him

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Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth ...

Jerusalem Talmud Pe'ah 15b - It happened that Manobaz had squandered his father's wealth to charity. His brothers admonished him: "Your father gathered treasure and you wasted it all!" He replied: "My father laid up treasure where human hands control it; I laid it up where no hands control it. My father laid up a treasure of money; I laid up a treasure of souls. My father laid up treasure for this world; I laid up treasure for the heavenly world."

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Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged ...

Talmud Pirkei Avot 2:14 - Do not judge your fellow until you have been in his place.

Talmud Pirkei Avot 4:10 - Do not be a judge of others, for there is no judge but the one (God).

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Matthew 7:2 ... with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Talmud Sotah 1:7 - By a person's standard of measure, is he, too, measured.

Talmud Shabbat 127b - How you judge others, does God judge you.

Talmud Sanhedrin 100a, attributes to Rabbi Meir the saying: "The measure which one measures will be measured out to him."

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Matthew 7:3-5 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye ...

Talmud Er'chin 16b - Rabbi Tarfon said, "I wonder if there be anyone in this era who will allow himself to be reproved. If someone says to another, 'Cast out the speck that is in your eye!' he will retort, Cast out first the beam that is in your own eye!'"

Talmud Kidushin 70a - He who condemns others, sees in them his own faults.

Talmud Bava Mezia 59a - Do not rebuke your fellow with your own blemish.

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Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs

Talmud Ketuboth 111a - R. Levi said: "God made Israel swear that they should not reveal the [Messianic] end, and should not reveal the secrets of [of the Torah] to the idolaters."

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Matthew 7:12 Do to others what you would have them do to you ...

Talmud Shabbat 31a - What is hateful to you, do it not unto others -- this is the entire Torah, and the rest is commentary.

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Matthew 7:26 every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not ...

Talmud Pirkei Avot 3:17 - One who studies Torah but does not do good deeds is likened to one who builds with a foundation of straw, so that even a minor flow of water will destroy it.

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Matthew 10:21 ... brother shall deliver up the brother to death

Talmud Sotah 49b - In the footsteps of the Mashiach, insolence will increase and honor dwindle; the vine will yield its fruit [abundantly] but wine will be dear; the government will turn to heresy and there will be none [to offer them] reproof; the meeting-place [of scholars] will be used for immorality; galilee will be destroyed, gablan desolated, and the dwellers on the frontier will go about [begging] from place to place without anyone to take pity on them; the wisdom of the learned will degenerate, fearers of sin will be despised, and the truth will be lacking; youths will put old men to shame, the old will stand up in the presence of the young, a son will revile his father, a daughter will rise against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man's enemies will be the members of his household; the face of the generation will be like the face of a dog, a son will not feel ashamed before his father. So upon whom is it for us to rely? Upon our father who is in heaven.

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Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. --Matthew 5:7

He who is merciful to others, shall receive mercy from Heaven. - Talmud Shabbat 151b

Sifri, Ekev No. 49 - As God is, so shall you be: As God is merciful, so shall you too, be merciful.

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Freely you receive, freely give. --Matthew 10:8

Just as I teach gratuitously, so you should teach gratuitously. - Talmud Beracoth 29a

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Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. --Matthew 23:12

He who humbles himself for the Torah in this world is magnified in the next; and he who makes himself a servant to the Torah in this world becomes free in the next. - Talmud Baba Metzia 85b

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Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the beam that is in your own eye? --Matthew 7:3

Do they say, take the splinter out of your eye, he will retort: "Remove the beam out of your own eye." Talmud Baba Batra 15b

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Mathew 9:37: The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few.

Talmud Pirkei Avot 2:15:The day is short, and the work is much; and the workmen are indolent, but the reward is much; and the Master of the House is insistent.

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The following lines are from the commonly called ''Lord's Prayer" although Y'shua does not refer to this prayer by this name in its version in Matthew nor Luke.

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Our Father who art in heaven (Talmud Yoma 85b, Sotah 49b, and Pirket Avot 5:20; and Midrash Vayikra Rabbah ch 32.)


Thy kingdom come,

May God's kingdom be established during the days of your life. (Kaddish prayer said multiple times in every Jewish prayer service)


Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.

Do thy will above and give comfort to those below, and to everyone his need. ( Talmud Beracoth 29b)


And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

One who is merciful toward others, God will be merciful toward them. (Talmud Shabbat 151b)


And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:

Bring me not into temptation, and lead me away from iniquity ... and save me from the evil one. ( Talmud Berachot 80b)



For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

For Thine, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty (TaNaK, 1 Chronicles 29:10)
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posledny update: 3.12.

o obvinenia: len zidia su ludia, zidia maju zabijat pohanov, rozlicne obvinenia
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petter napisal:


Citácia:
Cirkev odjakživa učila a učí, že Syn Boží sa stal človekom ... a nie židom ...
Také je aj vyznanie viery (krédo), ktoré by mal ovládať každý kresťan ...
pozri napr. [url]http://sk.wikibooks.org/wiki/Dogmatika:_Magistérium:_Vyznania_viery[/url]

Celý tento spor vznikol, keď furiousX vyhlásil, že Ježiš Kristus je rovnaký žid, ako židovskí "umelci" z hollywoodu ...

Ako sme si vysvetlili na ukážkach sporov Ježiša so židovskými zákonníkmi, nie je najmenší dôvod spájať Ježiša Krista so židovstvom ... A tento nezmysel (ako voda v koši) hraničiaci s rúhaním sa Druhej Božskej Osobe, tu niektorí "tiež-kresťania" urputile obhajujú ...
Očividne sa jedná o židovský šovinizmus zo strany týchto osôb ... navyše, keď dobre vedia, že v židovskom talmude je Ježiš Kristus i kresťania spomínaný ponižujúcim spôsobom ...



odpoved mas vyssie, stavim sa ze si to ani necital...lebo inak by ti to velmi lahko vyvratilo tieto antisemi klišé
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Asi vrchný český rabín Sidon sa vyzná v talmude lepšie ako pán petter. Sidon cituje talmudský traktát Sanhedrin(106a), kde cituje o Panne Márii:"a kurví se s nějakým tesařem."
Toto je v Sidonovej knižke:"Evangelium podle Josefa Flavia". strana 108. U nás vyšla Mladou frontou a bola k mání bežne v knihkupectvách..
Na tej istej strane píše o Ježišovi, "že kamenem byl jeho komplex méněcennosti ...a jeho sklony k šílenství."
Mne stačia tieto dva mierne citáty z talmudu , aby som si vytvoril mienku o talmude.
Toto je riziko, keď Ježiš je považovaný za žida.
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Židia sa mali obrátiť a tí čo sa naobrátili sú odsúdení na to, že Boh v nich vzbudí žiarlivosť na pohanov, lebo oni uveria.
To sa presne aj napĺňa.
A to, že Žid je trestaný za svoje hriechy podľa starého zákona platí dodnes.
To že Boh na ich potrestanie použije antisemitov je len logické.
Tak ako na potrestanie neverných kresťanov použije ateistov. Takto to chodí a je to správne.
To nezmení nijaký ekumenizmus.
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Neurobili ste nič, čo by ste neboli povinní urobiť.
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camo píše:
Židia sa mali obrátiť a tí čo sa naobrátili sú odsúdení na to, že Boh v nich vzbudí žiarlivosť na pohanov, lebo oni uveria.
To sa presne aj napĺňa.
A to, že Žid je trestaný za svoje hriechy podľa starého zákona platí dodnes.
To že Boh na ich potrestanie použije antisemitov je len logické.
Tak ako na potrestanie neverných kresťanov použije ateistov. Takto to chodí a je to správne.
To nezmení nijaký ekumenizmus.


nie je to spravne, lebo takyto postoj nema s Kristom nic spolocne

II.vatikansky koncil, Nostre Aetate:
Citácia:

Církev je sice nový Boží lid, přece se však židé nemohou představovat lidem tak jako by byli od Boha zavrženi nebo zlořečeni, a jako by to vyplývalo z Písma svatého.

Proto ať se všichni snaží, aby při katechezi nebo při hlásání Božího slova neučili něčemu, co neodpovídá pravdě evangelia a Kristovu duchu.

Mimoto církev, která zavrhuje všechna pronásledování všech lidí bez rozdílu, je si vědoma, že má společné duchovní dědictví s židy, a proto puzena ne politickými zájmy, nýbrž jen náboženskou evangelickou láskou, vyslovuje politování nad nenávistí, pronásledováním a nad projevy antisemitismu, namířené proti židům kdykoliv a od kohokoliv...
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Pán furiousX,
Aj napriek citátom z talmudu od pána Sidon a si stále myslíte , že talmud je neškodnou knihou a dobrou knihou ?
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